The presenters return to the theme of democracy and the rather undemocratic political system we live in.

They argue that restoring democracy 'of the people for the people' is more urgent than ever, especially given the 'overlord' threat of Artificial Intelligence.

In our current political system, mainstream parties have very small memberships and largely operate on centralised command-and-control principles. Their dominance has been challenged to some extent by the rise of the independents. Also, what was considered a right-wing, racist fringe party, One Nation, is apprently surging in popularity.

The presenters explore community-based, deliberative democracy ways of doing things.