# Into the Fold, Episode 3: ‘It just kind of snowballed’ transcript

*Voiceover*
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(Music: Enne R ‘Masquerade’)

*Kermie Breydon*
Hello and welcome to Into the Fold!

This is a show made on Kulin Country, 
through 3CR, 
and broadcast on the Community Radio Network.

We acknowledge all Traditional Owners 
whose air we are waving.  
And to the Elders — 
special little shimmy of the fingers here for you — 
nah, we really do pay our respects.

We’re gonna be meditating 
on how relationships with radio shift.  
All our guests from this series are returning, 
to invite you a little deeper 
into their personal worlds.

My name is Kermie Breydon.  
It took me decades 
to get into community radio.  
Doors shut in the face.  
And honestly, once I’d made it in?  
Some things got more brutal.

But, for those of us with disability who are 
also harbouring a yen for doing more, 
the Community Media Training Organisation 
runs a program that I thought might help 
affirm that fundamental vocational credibility.

Actually I reckon 
sitting in as a student 
taught me the most about teaching, 
And how it feels 
to inhabit a space 
free from cynicism.  
It’s been profoundly healing.

Like a lot of us, 
Tash Brake, of 3MDR, 
adores music, 
especially the stuff from the seventies.  
She developed a disability, 
kept on loving music, 
and got on with life.  
Now we’ve her got on here.

Welcome back Tash!  
What was it that drew you to radio?

*Natasha Brake*
Well.  
It’s funny, because I never thought I would do radio.  
So I’ve always listened to the radio, 
right from when I was really little.  
Like, growing up as a kid, in the seventies ⸺

*Kermie Breydon*
Mmhm.

*Natasha Brake*
⸺ I had a little battery‐operated radio, 
you know, a little... bit bigger than a transistor radio, 
and that would put me to sleep every night.  
And so I’ve always had the radio, 
I’ve always loved the radio.  
I’d never really thought I could do radio, 
because, you know, in some ways, 
it’s like this mythical, magical world.  
Like, this world of D.Js and musicians.  
Like these must be all very cool people, 
very talented people.

But then, yeah, look, 
at one of my very first jobs 
when I was back in my twenties, 
I was working at Vision Australia 
and there was a guy, 
one of my colleagues, 
who was also vision‐impaired, 
and he did radio.  
And he’d done it ever since 
he was a teenager in a country town.  
He had a radio show at P.B.S. 
and I just thought, 
“How cool is that!”

And then sometimes he would actually, like, 
bring in C.Ds that artists had sent him, 
and said, 
“Oh, there’s too many of them!  
Can you just listen to these 
and tell me which ones I should play?”

*Kermie Breydon*
Ha!

*Natasha Brake*
So that was pretty cool.  
I was like, 
“Wow!”  You know?  
“I actually get to pick the music to go on the radio.”

And then it kind of just sat there for ages.  

And then I was kind of, 
in the last sort of five years, 
maybe not quite so happy in my job 
and I was just looking at other opportunities.  
And I’d worked in the disability sector, 
so I was getting lots of, you know, 
emails of what was going on.  
And I saw this program, 
this Audio Ability program.  
And I was like, 
“What!  I’ve got a disability!  I love the radio!  
I wonder if I should do it?”

*Kermie Breydon*
Perfect!

*Natasha Brake*
And I’m so glad I did.

So, yeah, so, it was kind of like 
always sitting there dormant.  
It was never something I thought I would do.

*Kermie Breydon*
Yep.

*Natasha Brake*
But now that I do, 
honestly, it is my happy place.  
Yeah.

*Kermie Breydon*
It sounds like you’ve come an awfully long way.  
You’ve learnt all this stuff, 
both during the Audio Ability course 
and the way you’ve developed your show 
over the time that you’ve been doing all of this stuff.  
Is there anything that you wish you’d learnt earlier on?

*Natasha Brake*
Oh, so many things.  
I mean, confidence is such a big thing.

I had no confidence.  
And especially, like, 
when you are, sort of, learning 
and there’s so many different things 
and a panel — 
there’s so many buttons and sliders — 
and then you’ve got your computer as well 
and another keyboard 
and oh my goodness...

So I think it’s really just 
understanding that there are gonna be hiccoughs 
and not panic.  
Which is so much easier said than done.  
But, yeah.

And have really good support.  
And I did.  I had very good support.  
I never felt like I was just left on my own 
in an unfixable situation.

So yeah, I think it’s really just 
being kind to yourself, really.  
And just taking on what you can, when you can.  
And having those good supports in place.

*Kermie Breydon*
Yeah, I agree.  
That’s definitely the key, hey?

*Natasha Brake*
Yeah. Yep.

*Kermie Breydon*
Thanks mate.

So, Tash Brake fills the hills 
to the east of Birrarung‐ga Melbourne 
with seventies sounds 
every Wednesday 
through Out of Sight 
on 3MDR.

If you’re in the area, 
that’s 97.1 F.M.  
Otherwise, 
fire up the Community Radio Plus app 
or go 3mdr.com

Now, let’s scooch forward in time.  
We’ll take a song dreamt up in the late seventies 
and released by Divinyls around the start of the 1980s.

I don’t know how she would have put it herself, 
but I regard their frontwoman 
Chrissy Amphlett 
as crip kin.  
Around the same time as 
I was trying to make sense of 
signs of my own neurological impairment, 
she found out she had multiple sclerosis, 
in the early 2000s.  
Which complicated treatment 
of her breast cancer later in the decade.

In 2025, 
Novocastrian hardcore punk rock band 
Boudicca backed their single ‘Serpentine’ 
with a cover of a Divinyls classic, 
selling it as a cancer fundraiser 
in Amphlett’s memory.  
Let’s check it out.

From Awabakal and Worimi Country, 
here is Boudicca’s take 
on ‘Boys In Town’.

(Music: Boudicca ‘Boys In Town’)

*Voiceover*
You’re listening to radical radio, 3CR.

*Kermie Breydon*
You’re listening to Into the Fold, 
on the Community Radio Network.  
We’re finding out ways that radio lives take shape.  
And I’m wondering 
how the Audio Ability training sits 
in the life of recent mentee Madonna.

Welcome back.  
Were you involved in media 
before you began your mentorship?

*Madonna Brady*
Yeah, I’ve done a 
women in the community radio training: 
‘Women on the Edge’.  
And I worked as a volunteer on 4ZZZ in Brisbane.

But, that show that I was on 
was called ‘Only Human’.  
It’s on a Sunday.  
Starts at twelve o’clock.

I got people to come 
into the station 
to be interviewed.  
Mostly people talking about 
their life with Parkinson’s 
and how they’ve adapted.

An Indigenous friend called Uncle Tiger Singh, 
he would come on quite regularly, 
and I think he’ll be on my show when it gets developed.

Radio is just so personal, really, isn’t it?

*Kermie Breydon*
Yeah.

*Madonna Brady*
I don’t think there’s anything else like it.  
You can learn so much from people.  
Cause everyone’s got a story.

*Kermie Breydon*
Absolutely.  
I like your attitude and... 
There’s a kind of vibe that feels really ⸺

*Madonna Brady*
Aw, that’s kind, Kermie, thank you.

*Kermie Breydon*
⸺ really cosy and nice.

*Madonna Brady*
Aw yeah.  
I am cosy 
and I’m quite cute as well.

I have curly hair.

See that’s the thing.  
Since I had a brain operation last year...  
Or, no, in 2024.

*Kermie Breydon*
Oh?

*Madonna Brady*
And they shaved all my hair off.

*Kermie Breydon*
Mmm?

*Madonna Brady*
And so when it’s grown back, 
it’s quite dark, 
and there’s little bits of grey 
so everyone goes, 
“Oh, have you coloured your hair?” 
and I go, “No, I haven’t, no.”

*Kermie Breydon*
Well it’s a very elaborate way 
of recolouring your hair.

*Madonna Brady*
It is, isn’t it?

*Kermie Breydon*
Yes.

*Madonna Brady*
Yeah.

Yeah no, it was about a four‐hour operation, 
and it’s called D.B.S.  
Deep Brain Stimulation.  
It’s like a pacemaker, 
that is put in your chest.  
And that’s the neuromodulator.  
There are cords that go into your brain 
and then down through your neck.  

You know, when you’re getting your hair grown back, 
like, that’s what people see.  
But they don’t know the big picture.

The brain operation is pretty full‐on and scary.

*Kermie Breydon*
Yeah.

*Madonna Brady*
They wake you up 
while you’re having the operation, 
so they know if, you know, 
they’ve targetted the right spot.

Your dexterity could be compromised 
or it could be just the same or better.

I wanted to make sure that 
the things that I thought were important, 
[???] I was still able to do.  
Like embroidery and sewing and...

I would say it’s been a big success.

*Kermie Breydon*
Oh great.  

*Madonna Brady*
Cause my family remembers what it was like before, 
and they just can’t believe how good I am now.

*Kermie Breydon*
Oh I’m really happy for you⸺

*Madonna Brady*
Because it was getting desperate, you know, 
like I was having a lot of medication ⸺

*Kermie Breydon*
Mmhm.

*Madonna Brady*
⸺ and it wasn’t really working.

Yeah.  I still get really stiff 
and it’s hard to get around sometimes, 
but I’m trying my best 
and picking up new things, like, 
I’m learning how to play the piano.

*Kermie Breydon*
Oh lovely.

*Madonna Brady*
It’s quite an interesting 
concept of how I’m learning to play, 
because my teacher, 
you know, he’s very perceptive; 
he understands what’s going on, 
you know, when I look at the keys.  
And you don’t really even have to look at the keys ⸺

*Kermie Breydon*
Mm.

*Madonna Brady*
⸺ because once you’ve practiced your scales 
and you get to know where they are... 
With repetition and...

I’m learning how to play, yeah, 
different songs every month.

*Kermie Breydon*
Oh nice!

*Madonna Brady*
‘Close to You’ by The Carpenters.  
And the first one I was starting with, 
last year, is ‘Ode to Joy’ by Beethoven.

But not the whole thing 
and not two‐handed, sometimes.  
Breaking it down to be 
easily learnt chunks.

*Kermie Breydon*
Yeah, well that sounds really sensible.  
And what, like, what a, 
what a great, diverse repertoire.

*Madonna Brady*
And I’ve learnt how to play ‘Happy Birthday’ 
and ‘For She’s a Jolly Good Fellow’.  
A few cute ones like that.  

*Kermie Breydon*
I’ll have to hire you for my next party.

*Madonna Brady*
Oh I’m not that good, I tell you.  
But I can tell some funny jokes.

Yeah no, it’s fun.

*Kermie Breydon*
Gosh!

Where are you at now, 
sort of at the end of the Audio Ability course?  

*Madonna Brady*
Because I’ve got that Facebook group I run, 
I know a lot of people who 
are living with Parkinson’s.

*Kermie Breydon*
Yeah, you’d make a great producer ⸺

*Madonna Brady*
Yeah.

*Kermie Breydon*
⸺ for that, with all your contacts.

*Madonna Brady*
Yeah, I’ve got a heap of contacts 
and people are really keen to...

Oh sorry.  
That’s a medication alarm.

*Kermie Breydon*
Do you need to⸺?

*Madonna Brady*
People are keen to be involved 
and share, you know?  
Their lived experience.

*Kermie Breydon*
Mm.  
Glad you’re giving them that opportunity.  
That’s really good.

*Madonna Brady*
I feel very fortunate to be 
doing a course like this 
and meeting, you know, 
great people, like yourself, 
you know, as well as people from 
all over Australia.

*Kermie Breydon*
Aw bless you.

Do you need to do anything with that alarm?

*Madonna Brady*
Yeah, I just need to have some medication.

*Kermie Breydon*
Alright, well I might let you go, then, but ⸺

*Madonna Brady*
Yes, thank you.

*Kermie Breydon*
That’s alright.

*Madonna Brady*
Yeah it’s been lovely chatting to you, Kermie.

*Kermie Breydon*
Thank you, it’s been lovely talking to you.

Keep an ear out for Madonna in the future.  
More perspectives in a mo.

*Collage of song, poetry and speech*
Six years I’ve been in the desert...

Beyond the Bars is 3CR’s annual prison project, 
giving voice 
to our Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander inmates, 
right across Victoria.

It’s good to be here, 
because Aboriginal radio, 
and you don’t really get to do this, much.  
Brings us all together.

Time, 
You'll get your time 
To take that first step 
Out that front door 
To freedom beyond these walls 
Make sure...

And I just want to say 
thank you to all of yous,
for giving us the opportunity 
to speak on air.

...The bigger the reason 
The bigger the calling 
Make your commitment and watch things unfold...

And you can listen to audio 
from this year’s broadcasts 
and previous years’, as well, 
online at any time.  
Just go to 3cr.org.au/beyondthebars

...My island home 
My island home is waiting for me...

But I, also while I’m here, 
I’d like to say thank you for you all for coming, 
helping, giving us a chance to do this.  
It’s really good, you know; 
it’s been going for a while, now.  
Hopefully it goes... it keeps going.  
You know?  
Like, it’s good that we can do this 
and get our voice out there, 
as prisoners.

...can’t blame everything on the external 
So let’s stop looking for it in the hands of the persecutor 
Because real power comes from here 
And it comes from family 

If you would like us to post you a free C.D. 
contact the station 
on (03) 9419 8377

My island home is waiting for me...

*Voiceover*
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(Music: Nancy Bates ‘For Your Love’)

*Kermie Breydon*
There’s such a warmth and strength 
to Nancy Bates’ music, isn’t there?  

I first heard her really upbeat country stuff.  
Even that brought to mind Tracy Chapman.  
And indeed Nancy Bates has 
well and truly studied Chapman's work, 
is a great admirer of her — 
as really comes through in that song, 
‘For Your Love’.

Nancy Bates, too, inhabits music 
as an avenue for activism.  
She worked under the wing 
of Uncle Archie Roach for a while 
and I think that comes through as well.

She’s done a lot of work 
teaching music to incarcerated people 
and as a proudly Barkindji woman 
has advocated strongly for disabled Mob.

We heard in previous episodes, 
about some of the ways 
Paul Price is improving lives 
in his orbit.  
I’m gonna bring him back.

Hey.

*Paul Price*
Yep.

*Kermie Breydon*
So you’re equipping your mentees 
really, really well, 
by the sounds of it.  
What’s in it for you, 
doing this mentoring?

*Paul Price*
I want to give mentees the chance 
to experience some of what I’ve experienced 
over the twenty‐odd years 
that I’ve been involved in community radio.

*Kermie Breydon*
Mmhm.

*Paul Price*
You get to meet a lot of different people.  
You get to listen to a lot of programming 
which is very interesting, 
different types of magazines that we produce, 
newspapers that we read.

I enjoy a lot of the content.  
I enjoy the camaraderie.  
And I enjoy being able to produce 
a finished product, in my station.

But I also want to pass on that experience 
and show mentees that, 
if that’s what you want to do, 
there’s very little stopping you.  
If the right processes 
and if the right modifications 
are put in place ⸺

*Kermie Breydon*
Mm.

*Paul Price*
⸺ then, as a blind person, 
or someone with low vision, 
you can participate 
just as easily 
as somebody with full sight.  

*Kermie Breydon*
Yeah no, that’s a, 
that’s a beautiful attitude and spirit 
that you bring to it.  
I think that you’re making a huge difference, 
and it’s brilliant.

What got you into community radio, 
in the first place?

*Paul Price*
I was studying an I.T. degree at university.

*Kermie Breydon*
Mmhm.

*Paul Price*
Taken me about ten years to do it, 
with lack of textbooks 
in Braille and audio, et cetera, 
as it was back in the nineties.

*Kermie Breydon*
Oh I bet.

*Paul Price*
And a friend of mine I went to school with 
said to me, “What are you doing after uni?”  
I said, “Well I haven’t got a job or anything, yet.”  
And he said to me, 
“Do you want to come in 
and learn about community radio 
and learn about how to produce programs.”  
And I said, “Yeah, I’ll do that.”

So I started in May 1999, just as a producer.  
Was never going to go on air.  
And then somebody was late for their shift.  
So they said to me, 
“You’re going to have to go on air, 
because we’ve got no‐one else.  
Just press this button, 
and make sure your levels are okay.  
Say, ‘You’re tuned to 4RPH.  
We’re crossing to the B.B.C.’”  
And they said, “That’s all you’ve got to do.”

*Kermie Breydon*
Right.

*Paul Price*
The person actually did turn up.  
But it then gave me an interest to 
investigate what it would be like to go on air.

*Kermie Breydon*
Yeah, yeah.

*Paul Price*
So I did all the training 
and started on air 
and then I moved into board work.  
I’ve been manager of the station, for a while.  
Vice‐President of what is now 
Disability Media Australia 
and it used to be R.P.H. Australia.

*Kermie Breydon*
Mmhm, mmhm.

*Paul Price*
And I’ve done 
just about everything there is to do 
in the station.

*Kermie Breydon*
Wow.

*Kermie Breydon*
Have you had mentor figures of your own, 
anywhere along the way?

*Paul Price*
Yes, I have.  
One of my best mentors 
was a station manager 
that was hired in 2017.

And I appreciate the work that he did, 
because he realised my skills 
and he listened to my advice.  
I was basically second‐in‐charge 
without the pay packet.

*Kermie Breydon*
Right.

*Paul Price*
Anything that he wanted to do, 
he would run by me.

I helped him set up the studio.  
We were upgrading from no scheduling software, 
no, or a basic playout software, 
but no scheduling.

*Kermie Breydon*
Yep, yep.

*Paul Price*
And then we upgraded the whole station 
with playout software and new panels, networking…  
And because I’ve got no usable vision, 
I made it, 
with his permission, 
to be accessible for anyone with no usable vision 
using a screen‐reader.

*Kermie Breydon*
Brilliant.

*Paul Price*
I still appreciate the time that he took 
to mentor me at every level, 
but also the… 
I guess the faith in me 
that I knew what I was doing ⸺

*Kermie Breydon*
Yep.

*Paul Price*
⸺ and the fact that he listened to me 
over the four years that he was there.

*Kermie Breydon*
That’s great.  
I’m glad you had such a positive kind of 
empowering experience of that.  
And sounds like you got absolutely stacks done.

So, where can we hear your handiwork?

*Paul Price*
I produce this program on Sunday night.  
It’s called The Golden Days of Radio.

*Kermie Breydon*
Ooh.

*Paul Price*
From forties, fifties.  
But I started this program, 
and replaced somebody who had left the station.

*Kermie Breydon*
Mmhm.

*Paul Price*
And my manager at the time said, 
“You’re doing it.”  
I said, “Well, I don’t really know what, how to do this!”  
He said, “Well, you produce it every week.  
So you do know how to do it. ⸺

*Kermie Breydon*
Yeah.

*Paul Price*
⸺ So have a go.”  
So I did.

*Kermie Breydon*
Good on you.

*Paul Price*
And I’ve been going since, 
yeah roughly 2019, maybe before.

We run every Sunday night.  
On Reading Radio in Brisbane.  
We’re 1296 on the A.M. dial, 
but we’re also on digital radio, 
for those of you who are in Brisbane.

*Kermie Breydon*
Mmhm.

*Paul Price*
We are on the Community Radio app 
and a number of other streaming platforms 
around the country.

*Kermie Breydon*
Brilliant.

*Paul Price*
Cool.

*Kermie Breydon*
Alright.  
Take care of yourself.

*Paul Price*
You too.  Thank you.

*Kermie Breydon*
Thank you.  Catch you round, bye.

We’ve been touching base throughout this series 
with the Audio Ability Project Manager.  
Gemma Purves, welcome back!

*Gemma Purves*
Thanks so much for having me again.

*Kermie Breydon*
Oh, thrilled.

I’d really like to hear about 
your own personal experience of broadcasting.

*Gemma Purves*
Ooh.  
When I was a baby — 
literally a baby in a bassinet — 
my dad worked at the A.B.C.  
And so he would take me in with him 
and he would sit me in a producer’s studio, 
and leave me under a desk, 
because it was soundproof 
and nobody could hear me scream.

*Kermie Breydon*
Amazing.

*Gemma Purves*
But more recently, 
I had been living overseas.  
Yeah, I got called back to Australia 
cause my dad was sick, um, 
and so I came back to care for him, 
in his final months.

You know, I loved spending time with my dad, 
but also I’m not someone who does well 
with not having something to do. 

I’ve always loved radio, 
and despite my childhood, 
I’d never actually done radio. 

And a local community radio station had a call-out 
and I was like, 
“Yeah! That sounds like fun.”

I started hanging out there once a week. 
Was like, 
“Your admin systems are terrible. 
Let me just sort this out 
and make it all tidy and more efficient.”

And then they were like 
“You’ve got some really great ideas.  
You know, like, 
you’re writing these articles for our website...”

I started doing a weekly segment, 
called ’Access All Areas’.

And it just kind of snowballed. 
From there I started doing my own show, 
and then I started working as a T.V. news producer.  
Since then 
I’ve worked across print, digital, T.V. and radio.  

*Kermie Breydon*
You mentioned previously, 
you’re autistic, right?

*Gemma Purves*
Yes.  Autistic and A.D.H.D.

*Kermie Breydon*
Ah-ha.

*Gemma Purves*
The double whammy.

*Kermie Breydon*
How has that informed 
how you go about what you do now in your work 
with the Community Media Training Organisation?

*Gemma Purves*
I got diagnosed during covid, 
as so many people did. 
Being locked inside your own home 
apparently really brought some stuff to the fore.  

It made me realise, I guess, why, 
when I was working in commercial broadcasting, 
I definitely stuck out like a sore thumb, there.  
I even struggled working with public broadcasters.

Like there’s...
There aren’t many hills I will die on, 
but this is kind of the hill I will die on: 
is that community radio is about creating space 
for voices that aren’t heard on national media. 

Covid decimated local news.  

And I know that there are 
a number of independent news organisations 
that have stepped in to try and fill that gap 
and I have so much respect for them, 
but community radio, to my mind, 
it’s even more important that we exist now.

What I love about working with Audio Ability, 
is to actually support people to have their voice.

I mean, it’s kind of selfish, cause it benefits me.  
I want to hear people who have 
a different lived experience to me.  
I don’t want to live in a bubble.

Audio Ability, helps burst the bubble, in a sense, 
and create a wider network, a wider⸺ 
a range of opinions and voices. 
I don’t have to agree with you, 
to value what you say.

*Kermie Breydon*
Yeah. Yeah.  
To recap, then, 
who can join in, 
in bursting the bubble 
through Audio Ability?

*Gemma Purves*
We don’t want to be too prescriptive 
around the term “disability”, 
because I know that 
there are people 
and there are communities 
that there’s a stigma around the word “disability”.

Anyone who identifies as having 
a physical aspect, a mental aspect, 
a disability or, you know, 
significant health issues, or support needs 
is eligible to put their name down.

We have the forms that people fill in 
if they’re interested in being a mentor, 
which we pay, obviously.  
Really important for us that we pay people for 
the value that their lived experience creates.

And for the students...  
Yeah, anyone who’s interested 
can send through their information, 
and me or one of my team 
will suss out if we’re going to be able to make it happen.

*Kermie Breydon*
So, how do we get in contact?

*Gemma Purves*
You can email us; 
we’ve got a shared email address 
which is just audioability@cmto.org.au

Or you can go to the C.M.T.O. website, 
which is cmto.org.au 
and there’s information there 
with the dates and schedule and so on.

*Kermie Breydon*
Perfect.

Thank you, Gemma. 
Really appreciate you⸺

*Gemma Purves*
Thanks so much for h⸺ 
Oh, thank you for giving me the opportunity.

*Kermie Breydon*
No worries. 

That was Gemma Purves, 
the Project Manager of Audio Ability, 
from the Community Media Training Organisation.

Big thanks to all our guests 
Tash, Madonna, Paul and Gemma; 
and to my other two C.M.T.O. insiders 
Sarah Bailey and Ellie Violet; 
to Beth Tracey of the C.B.A.A.; 
to the folks at 3CR 
including — 
but not limited to — 
Innez Tulloch, Michaela Stubbs, Tilde Joy and Madison Moffat; 
and most especially to Nat Grant 
as my producer and mentor throughout this project.

This series was produced by 3CR on Kulin lands, 
and broadcast on the Community Radio Network 
on the Country of many nations, 
with additional recording by Gemma Purves in Eora Sydney.

Our intro music came from a jazz ensemble 
headed up by Tarndanya‐based composer Enne R.  
Today it was a piece called ‘Masquerade’.

This one now is ‘Emerald Flashes’ by Collectif: Arc‐en‐Ciel, 
who are another neurodiverse group from Tarndanya.  
The Collectif play with chromæsthesia — 
perceiving sound as colour — 
on Kaurna Yerta.

Thanks for listening.  
I’ve been Kermie Breydon.  
I’m gonna love you and leave you, but...!

Stay tuned, 
plenty more community radio coming your way 
on your local community station 
and in the Community Radio Plus app.

And, if you know anyone who you reckon 
would love to give this stuff a whirl, 
please, point ’em at our podcast: 
on 3cr.org.au/radicalradio

Maybe it’s you!  
In which case, 
I look forward to catching you round.

(Music: Collectif: Arc-en-Ciel ‘Emerald Flashes’)

*Voiceover*
You’ve been listening to a 3CR podcast, 
produced in the studios 
of independent community radio station 3CR 
in Melbourne, Australia.  

For more information, go to 
all the Ws dot 3cr.org.au